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We shall deal with these next two posts together:

ATS 1: He is reptilian. That's the race of the bloodlines. They control just about everything behind the scenes
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And remember there's no such thing as a bad race, just select individuals or groups who stand out more than others.

ATS 2: Ok so i have another question for hidden_hand. Reptilians are described as being very aggressive, arrogant and perceive humans to be nothing more than cattle. So what's with the split personalities? you're saying you are loving and spiritual and yet everyone says reptilians are fearsome beings?

HH: That amuses us. We are most certainly NOT Reptilian, and there is nothing remotely reptilian about the True Power Bloodlines. The only 'Reptilian' influences that are in anyway remotely involved with this planet at this time, are those of the Zeta Reticuli and Alpha Draconis systems. They are of no particular threat to you.

For those to whom it may be of some interest, we are of Venusian heritage, originally. What is another name that Venus is called by? Connect the dots.

Well, that is all the questions I promised to answer out of the way, and my time here is now pretty much expired. I have another few minutes before I must finish preparing for my long journey. There was two later posts, that I will just barely have time to offer a passing answer to:

ATS: I clearly know and are aware about this game…. But I have a question to you.....

Do your 3-d families have fractions. Do they not know this, all of them.

Because they have try to kill me, and it will not work. of course.

HH: All I can say on this, is that even the Earthly lines of our "extended" Family, only know as much as we tell them. Certain information they may not use wisely, or with proper regard to our Creator, and our One Infinite Creator.

As has been said before, "the top of the pyramid, is not the top of the pyramid".

Above the highest Earthline auspices of the Supreme World Council (and another higher aspect that cannot be named), are the "Hidden Hands" (not the real name of course, but what we have sometimes been referred to).

ATS: Yes, however the things/thoughts/ideas! he is speaking of are already a piece of copyrighted material and have been published in book format with ISBN numbers and all. The books are called the Law of One.
llresearch.org...

This/these books deal with the very same ideas as the OP:
1. Negative and positive polarization
2. Degrees of density
3. Even the same exact term: social memory complex!
4. harvest is used in the same context
5. Evolution between densities
6. Logos and sub-logos are used in the same context
7. The same concept of Wanderers
8. The concept of Infinity becoming aware of itself
9. The same idea of vibrations in the same context
10. The concept of 'us' progressing to the fourth density with the next harvest (2012) and how many of 'us' will have to repeat the third density.

There are well over 50 examples of the same ideas and contexts between the original author (L/L Research) and Hidden_Hand. L/L Research dates back to the 1981 timeframe, thereby leading me to believe that they are the original author. Again please note that the definition of plagiarism is the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work. Therefore, if Hidden_Hands is not with L/L Research he is clearly plagiarising their ideas and thoughts.

ATS: Even Lucifer had to step in to help me. That was a surprise as you can understand.

Does your left hand dont know what the right hand teach. Or is it lack of understanding in certain members in your bloodline.

HH: Indeed, I understand, occasionally drastic intervention is required. As I said, they do not know everything, somethings are best kept to ourselves. Temptation can prove too great, when certain Powers lay in the hands of those who's Heart is not utterly Pure of intention. Let us just say, that some seem to enjoy the game a little TOO much, from time to time.

Their actions were more from ignorance, than malicious intent toward you. Please forgive them, as they knew not what they were doing, but thought it the right thing.

Ok, I've just finished reading the last few pages of questions, I stated now on a few occasions that I have no time left to answer, but I was asked earlier a question that I said I'd finish with, namely that of "if there was a question you had not yet been asked yet, would you consider this it being asked", or words to that effect.

So there is one other question from the last pages that I will use in that vein.

This will really have to be it though. I am truly sorry I cannot reply to the many other heartfelt responses that sadly must remain unanswered. We must be leaving for an important task in Rome, and already I have others here with me imploring me "will you please just shut down that flipping computer and get your things together". They are laughing at how 'involved' I have become in this task of mine. My Father is teasing that I should begin at early 6th Density again to balance my compassion. Anyway, I must finish:

ATS: This has been very informative, and has cleared up much for me. Thanks once again, Hidden_Hand. My take on this is much different even from what it was the last time I posted in this thread. So, hopefully these questions will be a little more relevant...

1) I am curious as to how the bloodline family structure works. You said there are people who are part of your "extended family" that we may know of. So are these the Rockefeller, Rothschild, Bush, House of Windsor, etc. (typically known in conspiracy circles as the New World Order?). How close is your interaction with your "extended family" and are they as spiritually enlightened as you seem to be? Can you just kind of give us an outline of how the family is structured, how much each level knows in relation to the top, etc.? Because there are a lot of theories and "know-it-alls" out there, and it would be nice to get it straight once and for all. Be as detailed as you feel is appropriate.

HH: Ok, and this will have to be a really brief overview, as my time is up.

Starting at the bottom level, you have what we call "Local Cell Groups" or "Family Clusters". There will be anything from say five to thirty or so of these, depending upon the size of the town or city in question. Each Local area has it's own Council, comprised of Local Leaders representing the Six Disciplines of learning. There is also either a High Priest or High Priestess of The Order, who Serves their local community.

Above this, you have the Regional Council, with the Leader of each Local Council representing their specific areas. Then the National Council, in the same vein, with the Leaders of the Regional Councils sitting to represent their Regions.

Then you have the Supreme World Council above them all, with the National Leaders representing their Countries. Above this, is another group I cannot mention, who liaise with the "Hidden Hands".

Then above this, there are many other levels of Leadership, purely from the Power Lines (the ones that are not of this planet). The Supreme World Council, only know as much as is "Handed" down to them from us.

In our Power Lines, we have a similar structure, with Local and Regional groups etc, though most of us are living in entirely 'different' types of communities than you would understand. All I shall say is that we are not "surface dwellers".

ATS: ...also, do people ever try to leave the family? I asked you to comment on the case of one "Svali" in an earlier post. I am still curious if she was one of you or your extended family, or is she just a mis/disinfo agent.

HH: I am aware of her, yes. I've not looked at her supposed "revelations" personally, though heard enough from others in my Family. Yes, she was a part of the Family, at the lower levels, from the German Lines I believe. As I understand, she did reveal a lot of truth about the lower levels, but she was only Regional Level in the Earth Lines, so not that high. She certainly would not have had anything like the "bigger picture". I understand that she went into detail about some of the training techniques in the lower levels, which to be fair, can be extremely harsh, though as I've said, it's all about reaching the 95% Negativity, and when all is said and done, no matter how much one may have suffered in this life-experience, we can never lose sight of the fact that this is a Game we are all playing here together, and each incarnating Soul has already chosen and agreed in advance the parts they will play in the Game. No one really suffers, except in the Game, and ultimately, they have chosen these experiences before hand, at a Soul level. No one is 'forced' to incarnate into a storyline they do not want to play and learn from.

The German House is renowned for being particularly harsh and severe in it's training, so much of what she shares may have happened, though my Family have also said that unless her "trainers" were acting "out of protocol" (abusing their power) much of what she 'revealed' would not have happened, or has been embellished to some degree, for whatever reason. I cannot comment myself, as I've had neither the time or inclination to examine her story. The world of my own Family is very different from that of the lower Earth based bloodlines. Whilst our (my own) training growing up was very strict and disciplined, we were never abused in any way. We grew up with the bigger picture, and didn't need any other motivation.

The Earth lines are not aware of the entire picture. They themselves are not of our Lucifer Group Soul, and as far as they are aware, they are out to 'rule the world', to Control and Enslave, and create as much Suffering and Negativity as is humanly possible. That's what they 'get out of the deal'. World Domination. You'd have to say with that in mind, they're doing a great job. But one of the things they don't know or understand, is that our (Venusian Power Lines) agenda, is ultimately for the Highest Good of all concerned, in providing you with the Catalyst. If they were aware of this Truth, there is a slight risk that they would not have done their jobs properly, and they would miss out on joining us in our 95% Negative Harvest. They are aware of the Harvest, and the need for them to attain the 95%, to get out of 3rd Density, and that is all the motivation they need to help us achieve our ultimate aims.

How they go about it, is not really of too great a concern to us, as long as they are getting the job done. Sometimes we have to step in, where something they may do or plan goes against our desires, but such instances are few and far between.

And with that, I absolutely have to finish my time here with you. If I leave it any longer, I am going to be late for my journey, and I will not be very popular if I make my Family late. It is a strange feeling I have now in my heart, as I write these last few lines. I never could have imagined I would have 'connected' with you all in this way through this discourse. It was never the original intention, just to put out the information required of me. But somewhere along this journey we have taken together, I have come to feel a certain 'bond' with you. Of course, I know that bond is our inherent Unity in our One Infinite Creator, though, to have kind of 'met' and connected personally with so many of you, has left me feeling somewhat saddened that our time has to come to end. But come to an end it must.

I thank you sincerely for your gracious hospitality, and for allowing us to 'use' your 'space' here, for the furthering of our message. And remember, no matter the ideologies that may separate us in this Game, the message is all that matters, and the message is, that in the Love, and the Light of our Infinite Creator, we are All One. Brother's and Sisters of the Light.

We wish you all the very best in what remains of your journeys here, and sincerely hope for you that you will use the Catalyst we have offered you, to in some way help you to Graduate with a glorious and Positive Great Harvest.

Me on the other hand, I'm going to have to go and do some REALLY Negative things now to make up for all this Positivity. Kind of amusing, in an ironic way.

I look forward to meeting up with so many of you when the Game is over, and enjoying reminiscing about this time, and the parts we have all played in this Great Game.

We leave you all in the Love, and the Light of our One Infinite Creator.


Namasté.


Also read the follow-up to this article: "Dialogue With Illuminator13 -- Opportunity Knocks Again"


Endnotes:

1. "Houses" is exactly what mind control survivor Svali talked about in an interview with Greg Szymanski in July 2006. See my article, "The Illuminati Organization Structure, According to Illuminati Programmer, Svali".

2. This link leads to a few years old article of mine, where I emphasize that the only way to win this battle is to increase your spiritual awareness. This guy is saying the same thing.

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Comment 02/01/09. M.G. said:

I would like for you to please post this statement from myself in regards to the hidden_hands blog statements.

To all that have read the hidden hands statements I have a few points for you to ponder:

Satan or Lucifer is the same
Satan was a liar from the beginning and walks to a fro the earth just as the man
Yes, the bible states in Genesis about the son's of God, and all who were directly created by God are son's of God as same as for us who have been reborn spiritually. The sons of God took wives of man as their own and had off spring which were giants (Goliath) and their offspring still walk this earth as the bloodline from the fallen angels, so per to say a lineage of the occult of Lucifer.
Satan does not destroy by confrontation because he can not, that has been taken from him, but he does destroy by redesign. Satan was born in the truth but redefined himself and so the truth was not in him, he is a liar and the master of it.
Satan has already lost and if you follow him into hell you will certainly die a physical death as well as a spiritual death. God says that no man knows the time or day that he will come back but does give us warning signs and Satan knows these signs as well.
When Satan destroys by redesign he puts bits of truth laid with an abundance of lies to distort the truth and lead men away from the lord. He has this ability by using scriptures, politics, positions and worldly things men lust after. Satan is very tricky.
The only real weapon you have against Satan is faith in the lord and the Holy Bible which was inspired by God. Thought, imagination, and strongholds are some of Satan's weapons by creating an alternate ending for you to believe. God is the one whom gave you free will to chose which he also gave Eve in the beginning. It was Satan whom tricked Eve into eating from the tree of knowledge otherwise she would have continued to obey gods will. She had the choice from the beginning.
I recommend you adhere to the Lords word and do not stray from it. He is our creator and if this man the hidden hand was genuine or not, if you fall into Satan's trap of trickery and deceit then you will surely fail our father in heaven. Satan knows he has already failed and has been condemned but through one last act of defiance he wishes to take God's people with him.
Good Luck and I will pray for all who read this.
M. G.

God Loves You


Comment 01/08/09. A.Y. said:

Hello Wes,

I am sure you are aware of reptilian connection with these elite bloodlines from the work of David Icke and others. How can we take them seriously when they have used humans as cattle fodder-literally-for aeons?

Just take a look at the horror they are perpetrating in Gaza now- I suppose this is for own good too? Women and kids blown to pieces. Its a shame hundreds of these souls are unable now to contribute a positive harvest-but is this part of the game-I'm sure H-H would say so.

Lets put this in perspective-we are witnessing nothing short of outright genocide against an impoverished people with a few fireworks to defend themselves against an evil that even allows a 3hour ceasefire before blowing them to bits again!

And we're supposed to learn a thing or two from HH. It makes me puke.

Comment 01/05/09. Alex said:

Dear Wes,

I haven't finished yet, but i truly understand now. Bad news my new friend, Ill be disappearing for awhile. Ive been on winter exodus and have to return to base tomorrow (Monday). Ive printed out both articles so I may read them while away from my window (computer). I'll be sharing this with my battle buddies, or rather my platoon (since I'm platoon Guide). I want to share the knowledge, I have to share. Though, I might not add in the New world order type stuff to them. I think I'm going to teach them how to service others and put them in a 51% mind set. Show them how much the world could change. Anyway my friend, before I disappear I'd like to thank you for sharing your knowledge of this matter. It was exactly what I was looking for. Not necessarily the type of FIGHT i was thinking but, its a soulution. That word (soulution) will be burned into my every shutter frame of my life.

Till next time,
Take Care Wes
Happy New Year.

Alex
wanting to remember who I am.

Is it selfish to?


Comment 01/04/09. Tim said:

Hi Wes,

I've been a long time reader of your site Illuminati-news. The recently posted dialogue from the above top secret forums with the q and a with the one who calls themselves "The Hidden Hand" has to be one of the most intriguing pieces of information I have ever come across. Wether or not they are telling the "truth"...at the very least one thing I take away from it is an insight into the way that these people (the adept) think. I to feel that he believes in what he is saying. Paraphrased....to me part of what I took away is..."Its ok if we do all this mayhem on your planet. its ultimately because we love you" Very interesting. I'm still trying to sort out with in myself if this is "True". In the meantime I am working on my own spiritual progression...treating others as I wish to be treated, and so forth.

Tim


Comment 01/03/09. Cal said:

Wes I would like to thank you for being an informer to me.

I just finished reading the entire communication from H_H on your site after having tried to read it on its source site forum. I appreciate the editing you did.

It doesnt need to be said but I found it very uplifting and encouraging. It validates all that I think and feel.

I also want to give a personal thank you to you for the hard work you are doing for the planet, it has been a light for me personally and to know that you are informing the planet.

Never give up,
Namaste,

Cal

Important Definitions:

1. The word Illuminati means 1. People claiming to be unusually enlightened with regard to a subject. 2. Illuminati: Any of various groups claiming special religious enlightenment. Latin illmint, from pl. of illmintus, past participle of illminre, to light up. See illuminate.

These definitions are taken from "The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language".

Like the definitions say, any group which considers itself "enlightened" could rightfully call itself the Illuminati. So is also the case. If you google "The Illuminati", you will find quite a few groups claiming this name.

It can be confusing, so before we continue, I want to make very clear that the Illuminati we are discussing here is NOT a benevolent secret society who wants to create peace and harmony in this world by helping to bring freedom to the people. Such a benevolent group DOES exist and happens to call themselves "The Illuminati", and is actually the original group using this name.

They have been working behind the scenes for a very long time to help humanity free themselves from the chains we have been stuck in for thousands of years. Unfortunately, the Powers That Be, the evil puppet masters running this show on war and destruction, infiltrated the truth movement already in an early stage by adopting the term Illuminati to describe themselves, thus using the same name as the original benevolent group. This to further confuse the matter.

Now, almost all researchers (including myself) have adopted the term "Illuminati" to describe the Dark Side, and by doing so, we have to a certain degree unwittingly helped discrediting the benevolent group with this original name and made it harder for them to get the job done.

Therefore, I will let this definition follow each and every article posted on this website from now on in an effort to try to clear up the confusion. I apologize that so many people now have mixed up the groups, and I have partly, but ignorant to this fact until recently, been responsible for that.

The point is that the Illuminati I am exposing here is the super-rich Power Elite with an ambition to maintain the slave society they have been working so hard to accomplish over the millennia!

The malevolent group that wants to enslave us call themselves "The Priesthood of AMEN" and their outer circle they call "Lucifer's Web", and their most important secret societies are '"The Thule Gesellschaft" and "The VRIL Society".

2. The term "New World Order", just like the term "Illuminati", has been used by at least two different groups, meaning basically two different things:

1) A goal to put an end to the current Order (called "The Old World Order" - OWO), which is considered evil and anti-survival, and therefore the current power elite needs to be overthrown and their Old World Order to be destroyed and replaced with a benevolent "New World Order". The goal is a humanity-friendly One World Government. The means putting an end to the current Old World Order with violence, if necessary.

Personally, I don't agree with using violence to stop the Old World Order, as I am more into a spiritual solution (see elsewhere on my website), but I want to make my readers aware of that there IS a group calling themselves "The Illuminati", who want to replace the current Old World Order (the Rothschilds, Rockefellers etc.) with a benevolent New World Order, where people are no longer slaves to this Power Elite.

2) A goal to create a micro-chipped society, so that they more easily can maintain the current Order that they have created throughout the millennia. This is the "New World Order" the Bush's, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, Gordon Brown, Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski and others are supporting and working on maintaining. This is also the "New World Order" I am fighting against via this website.

Just like in the case with the term "Illuminati", this second group has confused researchers and truth seekers by using the basically benevolent term "New World Order" for their negative and malevolent goals. This has made it harder for the Resistance to operate, because both "The Illuminati" and the "New World Order" have been used as a propaganda for the Dark Side and everything connected to these two terms now are perceived as negative.

If we really look at it, it's nothing "new" with what this Power Elite officially calls the "New World Order", but no more than an effort to hold on to the Old World Order they have already created.

I hope this to some degree makes things clearer.






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